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Overview ( a summary )

  I think the two biggest problems in purebred dogs can be reduced to:

 A.  Lack of meaningful selection pressure

 B.  Inbreeding    

   The core of my philosophy is avoiding that one-two punch and dogs/breeds that have not.  If you’re looking for the take home message from the cliff notes, you’re done.

  What follows is a rough ride through my reasoning, containing links to specific topics offered in greater detail elsewhere on the site, most of which can be found indexed in The Word of Dog.  Which I recommend as a starting point, if you aren’t well versed in dogs nor opposed to reading.  This “Overview” then is a sort of short version of the site text as a whole, for those not inclined to read in depth.  But be forewarned, reading both will make a certain amount of redundancy unavoidable. 

  In the wild, survival of the fittest insures quality.  In the world of domesticated animals that guarantee is conspicuously absent. Because man imposes, consciously or not, the new selection criteria he becomes nature, or God if you prefer.  A reality more fully addressed in Dogs in the World

 And man’s selection process is all too…. human.  Usually financially driven or tainted by ego, as often limited by compassion as ignorance, and almost always compromised by convenience.  All breeders are guilty of these things to some degree; what separates us is a matter of degree.  Just a few of the things to be considered in Choosing a Breeder.

  There are many breeds that intrigue me.  Some I’ve had need or desire enough to own, others I’ve yet to, none are sacred.  Stellar and sorry examples fly under the flag of any given breed; as does more variation than is commonly assumed, and more hype than you might imagine.  Just a few things to consider in Choosing a Breed.

  I keep an eye open for exceptional individuals of many stripes, but of necessity, have narrowed the focus to three primary breeds: BoerboelsDogosKangals all of which I will breed pure.  And the Danewhich is too far gone as a breed, to bother ( I’ve only one life time to find one worth feeding… much less two )

  I use all of those, and a few others to offer a variety of mixes you can see photos of and read more about in  Cross Options.  Most of which will fall into two basic divisions; Olympic farm dogs (kangal based ((low prey drive ))  and  Olympic road dogs ( Dogo based (( high prey drive)) reflecting the most relevant issue on a goat ranch, who can trusted left alone with stock.  And all of which you can read more about in Dog Directions and/or Breeds as Ingredients  

  In the general sense of health, most any “purebred” would benefit from being crossed. And in the specific realm of individual wants and needs, I find the possibilities afforded by crossing too rich to ignore.  In either case my bias remains strongly in favor of working dogs- dogs bred to a purpose 

“Weren’t they all?” you might ask.  

 Yes…once upon a time, but that is a rarity today.  The AKC reads as a catalogue of breeds no longer remotely competitive at their original functions.  And most are riddled with genetic disease and temperamental peculiarity.  Much of what’s available to the public today is fall down from show dogs, a problem compounded; for as misguided as the show ring may be as a selection pressure, those damaged goods are then multiplied by random convenience breeders ( “backyard breeders” ).  The end result composes the vast majority of the purebred state of disgrace available to the public today.  All of which, and the distinctions there of, you can read more about in Dogs in America 

  Working dogs are bred to a purpose.  And the point for me is not always the specific purpose; hunting, guarding, and so forth, so much as any purpose.  It’s not the specialized task, necessarily, but the existence of any competitive functional criteria at all. None of the breeds I work with are particularly specialized anyway; Dogos can be taught to hunt most anything, Kangals to guard anything, Boerboels to do, or not do, damn near anything. 

  But all three are naturally inclined to love and protect their people.  Solid nerves, courage, smarts, sound bodies, are always welcome.  A biddable or independent thinking dog can each be useful in different settings, but a smart dog is almost always welcomed in a working environment.   Whether those traits evolved hunting, protecting stock, property, or people, is less important to me than that some sort of competitive selection pressure was applied……. in recent history.

 It would seem a given that any dog owner wants a healthy, temperamentally sound canine.  I believe one is far more likely to find that in dogs from working origin than show lines.   And perhaps more likely still to find it in a cross than a purebred.  Yet when one talks to the public about “working dogs” the blank stare, or joke, is all too common

  “ Working-dog…….sounds good, you got one who will buy its own food, and maybe change the cat litter for me ? ”

 Point being, though many people remain confused about the reality of “show dogs,” most are at least familiar with the term; but “working dog” is not a term that has any meaning to much of the  public.  Part of what I’m attempting to do with this site is take a bite, however small, out of that ignorance.

  And I do believe the public has grown weary of shelling out for purebred disasters.  They are becoming increasingly willing to pay for a  “known cross;” a mixture of known quantities.  As opposed to a “ mutt,” which is as a dog of random or indeterminate origin, a different thing entirely, a distinction also elucidated in Dogs in America .

 As time passes, the market will likely be flooded with intentional crosses.  Unfortunately most will be crosses of lousy purebreds!  Created by breeders with no real concern for the quality of the individual dogs.  For buyers who we can’t expect to be much more discerning in choosing a cross, than they have historically been a purebred.  One of my goals is to set myself apart from that pending disaster by having purebreds that hold their own as such, who stand out as such……. and crossing them anyway.

 If you’ve walked in circles that produce dogs, you already realize this behavior will garner some critics, especially where it takes a bite of their pie.  I’ve created a heading all its own to address them and their flawed reasoning in Defending The Cross.  If you’re not at all familiar with dog geeks, you might find it hard to believe how absurdly possessive they become of “their” respective breeds.   Never mind the fact that most breeds were created by crossing existing breeds, the point is lost on the majority of the purebred breeding herd.

 I also want people to be able see with their own eyes the purebreds behind the crosses, in one location, for generations.  And will compile relevant health testing information, hip scores, etc.  So that somewhere down the line people can look at generations worth of health testing documents regarding the lineage of a given dog; be it pure, or be it mixed.

 Another point, which I suppose belongs in this section, is this.  If you spend anytime at all in dog circles, you will find that one of a precious few things that the hard core working people and the show people seem to share is a certain contempt for the word “pet.”   As evidenced by the practice of labeling their sub-par animals as such…. “pets,“  “pet quality“ is a pejorative term !?

 That’s indicative of the reality that creating a good pet is well down the priority list in both worlds, one makes trophies, the other slave labor.  Virtually no one, amongst the endless factions and divisions of Dogdom, is bragging about producing good pets! When in fact the actual percentage of true working dogs and serious show dogs combined is statistically insignificant from a population genetics standpoint.   Dogdom, in this country, and much of the industrialized world, if not the stray strewn rock on the whole, is composed primarily of pets.

  The problem is pet owners are not very discerning; in searching, selecting, or sifting their dogs ( a discretionary void gleefully filled by breeders of all ilk ).  They mostly just want something to love.  And once they choose, they tend to return the “unconditional love” they receive from their “best friends” no matter the lack of inherent merit in the beast.   More over, all too many of those love struck owners, then take to breeding.  And your Sir name need not be Darwin to know none of that is without selection pressure consequence.

  If you go to dog directions, you will notice that three of the four current breeds I work with are relatively rare “working” breeds; that’s not an accident.  These breeds have been, as yet, less watered down by popularity in an overly litigious, reduced sperm count society in which half of all pet owners surveyed said they would opt for their pet over a human companion on a desert island !? ( who’s got that survey ? )  

  The rare breeds have been less influenced by the selection pressures of the show fancy and the pet market simply by coming later to our shores.   The decline and fall is inevitable, but they are more likely to have retained some health, smarts, or backbone than those breeds long since gentrified.  And even if these breeds are doomed to go the way of those before them, the traits of quality individuals can still be used in the mixing pot, as discussed in Breeds as Ingredients.

  I will admit the only way to know for sure what a cross will produce is by doing it, and observing the results.  I expect to be demonized by a certain segment of dog nerds for this unapologetic sacrilege; or at least to be slandered on line, where disrespect remains free of consequence.  You can get my take on dogs and the www at Dogs and The Net.  

  But it bears repeating, I expect my purebreds to hold their own.  That said, I am equally if not more proud, to be the only person on earth undertaking some of these crosses. And likewise fascinated to witness, learn, and select my personal working dogs, and pets, from the process. 

The primary purposes of this site are to announce to the world which dogs I have, which crosses I normally produce, which crosses are otherwise possible; and to offer some basic info on the nature of the given breeds, so people can decide for themselves what breed or mixture might suit them best.  It’s always preferable to have homes in advance, even more so with the crosses, so I’ve structured my Prices to offer incentives to those who commit early.

 I’m proud when working people want my dogs, purebreds or crosses, and I will deal to proven working homes.   But I see no shame in providing “normal” people good solid pets either.  Many of the qualities that make a good working dog make a good pet.  Sometimes the extreme specialized niche of a real working dog calls for an extreme temperament, which really is not a good fit in many a pet home.   We proceed in the faith that we know the difference, and that there is nothing wrong with breeding to create what we want…..you and I both.

 

Andrew J

 

 

  

 

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Kangal History

Kangals 

 

 In a perhaps telling twist, the most ancient of breeds I work with may have the least to choose from by way of written history.   A breed that’s purported to have been around for thousands of years, sitting as Turkey does at the geographical cross roads of the world, that history might be quite busy and all but impossible to document anyway.  Or perhaps, as a true land race breed, there is really very little that can be said with certainty; except the breed has been around almost as long as animal husbandry.

  The Kangal vs Anatolian debate is agenda driven on all sides and frankly not very interesting to me.  In a nutshell it seems that almost anything that came from turkey could get papers as an Anatolian, hence the wide range of phenotypes and temperaments available under that flag, I can assure you there are endless kangal-like dogs running the streets and country sides of Turkey…. They are not all kangals.

  The most valid point the kangal people have is that “Kangal” is the term the Turks themselves use, and more importantly, the term “Anatolian” is not.  So while there may be some window of contention among Turks as to what exactly is or isn’t a “pure Kangal.” There is no such debate regards an “Anatolian”…. because the term has no meaning amongst Turks !  Except perhaps amongst westernized Turks, who sometimes use it as an umbrella term to speak to all Turkish dogs, of which there are several distinct groups and much crossing.

 The most valid question I’ve heard the Anatolian people pose is: 

” Why would a shepherd care what color his dog was if it did it’s job ?” 

And I have to admit I’ve no answer for that. I’ve always found those in dogs that were particularly concerned with a dab of white here or black there, be it Kangal, Boerboel, or Dogo, were not the people truly interested in function.  

  The reality, as I see it, is that the definition of an “Anatolian” was much looser in many regards, than that which is currently applied to defining Kangals.   So, as is obvious to the eye, some dogs called “Anatolians” probably are Kangals, but many are not.  And yet since they have been given the same flag they can, have, and continue to be mixed. 

 Given that we had the audacity to rename the breed I guess it should come as no surprise we didn’t seem too selective in what wore the flag Anatolian, allowing all manner of dogs from Turkey to be mixed with what ever Kangals were imported, under whatever name. 

  But The Kangal “community” is primarily composed of a most diss-agreable collection of control freaks, hippocrits, and mercenaries.   A batch of old ladies who could not be further from the the men in Turkey who historically dealt in these dogs, in any, and every regard.  The Kangal in America is largely in the strangle hold of hobby, novelty, show, breeders.  Ranchers are not likely to pay the prices they ask, or humor the interrogations and conditions they impose on potential buyers.   Which means the breed is very liable to be put on the fast track to selection pressure dementia

 So, Let it be known then, I will beat anyone in America’s price on a kangal to a true working home, with real predator issues.   Not novelty this or that, on a postage stamp estate that could be guarded by anything that barks.  REAL STOCK, REAL PREDATORS, REAL ACREAGE; if you have those things, I want to be the guy that gets you a Kangal.   And if you don’t have those things…….. I’ll probably beat anybody’s price anyway, cause the KDCA pissed me off, I’m gonna take a bite out their pie,  and I’d personally not mind seeing the price come down to a level that their ilk don’t traffic in, and ranchers might.

 


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Argentine Dogo 1 to 10 

Breed description

 As mastiffs go I believe the heart of an Argentine Dogo is unparalleled.   These dogs are as unlikely to be deterred by pain as any close to their size.   And that heart beats in an extremely athletic body, that can cover ground, in a sprint or all day.   Steered by a nose that can track, and backed up by jaws as capable as any in the world of dogs.  Truly an impressive combination of traits.  

  All of which, perhaps most remarkably, contained in a genuinely loving canine. This is the paradox those with no first hand experience may find difficult to comprehend.  That a beast so foreboding, so capable, so potentially ferocious, a beast that will willingly go to it’s death in a fight; can be so….sweet.  

 But that’s really the word, they are loving dogs.  Wonderful with children, true family dogs; affectionate titans, would be lap dogs.  Naturally subordinate to their owners and generally not aggressive to towards people.  To say much more is to stress the limits of generalizations; there are exceptions, and variation within any breed.  And that which nurture brings to natures table, as in any breed, can produce dogs very dissimilar in behaviour.  

 

 General temperament:

 The dogo is a paradox difficult to grasp without owning.   Lovers and fighters both; as affectionate, patient, and nurturing with their people and puppies as dangerous to their prey or enemies.  They are naturally territorial, like most dogs, and though many a walled compound is patrolled by Dogo’s in Argentina, they are not typically suspicious or unwelcoming of people if well socialized ( Although mine came from a breeder who liked Dogo’s that were suited to be protection dogs ).   They do tend to be highly dog, and animal aggressive, despite the pack hunting rhetoric.

 

Energy level: 6-7

 The more exercise the better they like to get tired, but don’t go nuts without it.  You rarely see a pacer.  But they do thrive with ample exercise.

 

Intelligence:  7-8

I think their generally  a bright beast.  Though I have found that the temperaments can get quirky, and I think that’s due more to inbreeding than anything else.

 

Biddability:  7

Relative to what….right ?  relative to spitz types and LGD’s they are extremely biddable.  Relative Boerboels…. perhaps less so… but not by a lot.  The exception being you are not going to call a Dogo off of it’s prey, when they go, they’re gone.  But in day to day matters I find them fairly obedient, excepting the occasions when prey drive kicks in.

 

Independence: 2-4

 Not very, they want to be with their people, ideally in their laps.  They never seem to get enough love, nor do they seem to tire of giving it. Unless there is something to hunt/fight.

 

Gravity: 7-8 

 Pretty high, lacking something to get after, they tend to stick right around their people fairly well.

 

Roam: 4-6 

Not bad, and if it were not for the tendency to go hunt I’d give em a 3

 

Prey drive: 9

Their made to get after stuff, and it’s very difficult to keep them from doing so.  it’s a definite uphill battle to keep them from going after other animals.

 

Dog Aggression: 8-9 

 Much understated by the dogo peddlers, but a very real issue.  Despite the fact they are supposed to hunt in packs, the truth remains that doesn’t always go as planned. 

 

Human Aggression: 5-7

 This is a difficult one to address because the propensity for and the potential tenacity of are two different matters.  I would say by nature they are not naturally man aggressive.  I would also say if a Dogo does decide to go after a man, for whatever reason, it will not be easily deterred, not by physical pain.